Jan 25, the Anglican Communion has a Primates Meeting. Due to a number of different factors, many believe it will be a tremendously important meeting, and could mean the end of the Anglican Communion as we know. Please share this or remind your Episcopalian and Anglican friends to pray for the January 25-28 meeting.
A reply to Jim Naughton on his post Dan Martins and C-056
I do hope that no LGBT people fall into the trap of believing that they, here, are the targets of shame. This is not even remotely the case, and is evident if one examines Fr. Martins’ words (thanks to Fr. Fountain for finding them), or even if one quickly scans them.
The greatest condemnations in the New Testament are not about faulty teaching concerning sexuality; they are about bringing another gospel into the church. Teaching things such as, that Christ did not rise from the dead, or that whether He did or not is unimportant, and that this has rather to do with maintaining progressive ethical views, are much more reasonably considered instances of bringing another gospel into the church, than any teachings regarding sex, or any possible sex acts.
However, we Anglicans are in a situation regarding such denial of Christ like no other church in history; I know of no church claiming to be Trinitarian in which a leader at its highest level has uttered remarks going so far in denying the divinity of Christ and the resurrection as we have with one of our Primates. This is a sad truth which all Anglicans share, and we all live in a shared, communal condition of apostasy. It is this which fuels the greatest passion in the debate. From the beginning, the worry regarding sexual ethics was, that were we to embrace something which many consider to be contrary to Scripture, we would lose our very faith in Christ. Now, we have in a very significant sense lost this faith in Christ. If there is one thing of which we can be sure, I think it is: that this is by no means the fault of LGBT people.
All this, of course, makes almost everything else we do as a church seem trivial, including actions which emotionally wound, skew deliberative processes, or deceive – or anything any of us might say about sex, or even whatever kind of sex act any of us might engage in. Nonetheless, I have a few very, very trivial words about this most trivial issue.
A church in such a situation as ours is in a state much like a civil war. One finds one’s self doing irrational and unjust things, with unintended victims. Here, though Canon Naughton is such a staunch supporter of LGBT ministry, the LGBT people are the unintended victims of his own desire “to score debating points,” the very thing of which he accuses Fr. Martins. He claims even that Fr. Martins had no principled disagreement with the resolution: we would then conclude that Fr. Martins wishes simply to shame for the sake of shaming, without even any reason or cause; that a man who a diocese wishes to have as their bishop, sees fit to shame and stigmatize gay and lesbian people for no reason whatsoever.
Someone, sometime, should write an article about the crisis of new non-Trinitarian religion in the Anglican Communion as we find in the teachings of Katharine Jefferts Schori and Marcus Borg. These two figures are, I believe, very much related in their manner of thinking on Christology. I’ve started this thread for any insights / research hints / virtual notecards people may wish to leave, for future work on this topic.
In my last blog posting I brought up the very heavy word “apostasy.” Allow me to be clear: I do not wish to point a finger at anyone, including +KJS, and say: “that person is an apostate.” Instead, I believe we should look at the Communion and ask ourselves: are we suffering a condition of apostasy? And I believe the answer to this question is: yes.
I have already written about how I believe that it is clear that TEC Presiding Bishop Jefferts Schori has denied the resurrection and the divinity of Christ. I sometimes wonder at her words regarding the divinity of Christ where she seems to be following Jesus Seminar scholar Robert J. Miller (author of the book Born Divine) – see her words at the end of the Parabola interview. This is a rather patchworky collection of pieces of information – I believe they mostly point to Marcus Borg as a source of Christology for +KJS, and confirm that it is more than unlikely that she holds to the doctrines of the resurrection or the divinity of Christ. Another essay may be written later which is more orderly, but I provide the information here for anyone interested.
An extensive reply here due to comment limitations elsewhere.
a thread on topic: “Have any other top church leaders denied essential aspects of Christ’s identity in manners more profound than +KJS?”June 28, 2010
(posted June 28, 2011 – back-dated so as not to appear amongst current articles)
It appears that the answer here is a resounding “yes” – the degree however to which the churches they are a part, are contributing to these teachings, and the degree to which these are “significant churches,” remains in question.
Jesus’ divinity doubted
Church leader holds controversial views
By BOB HARVEY Southam Newspapers “The Ottawa Citizen” October 30, 1997
The divinity of Jesus and the reality of heaven and hell are irrelevant, says the new moderator of the United Church of Canada.
What really matters, says Right Rev. Bill Phipps, is mending a broken world.
In a free-wheeling debate with the editorial board of the Ottawa Citizen, Phipps said Jesus was more interested in life on Earth than the afterlife and had more to say about economics than any other subject. “I don’t believe Jesus was God, but I’m no theologian,” Phipps said.